Great forum!

[Pleasant Lake Pirate]

...for a laugh. brand new machines miss firing, leaking fluid, starter/starting issues, recommendations not to ride through mud/water/snow, junk bearings, welds breaking, difficulty with dealers and warranties, and thats just from a brief reading of this forum. how about the brittle plastics, d-grade electronics and general shoddiness of assembly.. when it comes to ATV's you infact DO get what you pay for.There's a reason my Honda costs $8k. You've all learned a very expensive lesson. And to reinforce that point, very VERY few people who make the mistake of buying chinese make that mistake twice..

I'd be happy to have a civilized debate about this with anyone

[atvsunlspokane]

Well I am so happy your a rich kid. With the ego you represent,it shows its all wrapped up in your machine. There are more safyt recalles on name brand machines then there is on Chinese. I guess you really don't know anything about ATV's or UTV's. All the parts are made somewhere in South East Asia by freak'en China manufacturers, and the motors on your Honda were designed and manufactured in freak'en China. Are you stup or what. Yours were just parially assembled in Japan,if its old. Otherwise it was fully assembled in China aslo. Sorry dummy!